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Crossovers I am ABSOLUTELY NOT maybe sorta working on right now:

Century Hotel/Highlander: the Series -- It's very sad that the nicest thing I can see happening to Michael where the movie leaves off is getting shivved in prison and coming back as an Immie. eta: Maybe with Nick from Farewell To Harry making an appearance.

NCIS/DC Comics -- it's time to play nice with the FBI again; this time the NCIS gang have to deal with Agents Jesse, Rathaway, and Rory. Who's smirkier, Tony or the Trickster?

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I don't know NCIS, but can anyone *be* smirkier than James Jesse when he's got his game on? The man is practically an avatar of Bugs Bunny!

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Alas, he didn't really have his game on when he was in the FBI, canonically. I'd be making NCIS/JAG/First Monday 'verse versions of the Rogues, natch, so he'd probably be on his game and also Piper's boyfriend would still be around and awesome.

Tony's pretty smirky, though. He's also immature, eager, hard-working, smart as a whip, and egotistical. The first and last parts of that might be an act.

I could hit a badfic cliché and have James be related to either Tony DiNozzo or Abby Scuito, but then again NCIS has an Agent McGee, and Flash canon has McGees as well -- in the Flash TV show, Trickster had a connection with Tina McGee, sorta... *draws a chart*

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Yeah, being an FBI agent didn't make Trickster happy. He was better off doing special effects.

Piper's boyfriend James of no-surname-given? That'd be nice.

I think NCIS's Tony will look like an amateur compared to Piper, Trickster and Heatwave. They're totally winning to crash into an investigation in their 'work' clothes, blow up random stuff, and beat the crap out of the opposition all while talking to rats, cracking jokes involving rubber chickens, or set things on *fire* -- and bickering with each other like a group of teenage boys all the while. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to out-do them on the walking-chaos-attractors end of things.

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Well, his first mission had them all encounter the Top and get brain-fragged (or brain-unfragged, depending how you look at it) so he didn't have long to slide into the role -- but they made him cut his hair and wear a dark, boring, probably cheap suit.

James who's last name certainly isn't Jesse. Or Harper. (Heatwave/Golden Guardian is luv, and Golden Guardian is/was Jim Harper.)

I think Mick would be okay with the Feddie standard cheap suits, but also probably have a T-shirt on underneath his blazer and still be smarting over the secret project he was a security adjunct to *coughCadmuscough* having been scrapped recently. James and Hartley tolerate his grumpiness with exasperated affection and keep an eye on him around fire. Hartley, despite coming from Money, would wear less expensive suits than James, possibly made of fair trade fabrics. NO ONE WOULD HAVE CUT THEIR HAIR because I can totally dream.

There wouldn't be 'work' clothes in the sense of costumes -- they are NCIS'verse versions of themselves, and thus are likely reformed crazed inventors/bank robbers/etc. but there is no Flash -- although there is a Wally West. And a Linda Park-West, who calls Hartley long distance on his cell because she senses he's working on something big and, being a reporter, wants to know. He calls her "honey" on the phone a lot and acts kind of amused/whipped, but when someone asks if he was talking to his wife, he just laughs.

Also, I think Gibbs and Tony would be a little o.O at the amount of head-smacking these three could pull off if they were In A Mood. Just honestly the best agents ever. :D And no Frankie, because I can't actually stand her. :D

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It wasn't the first mission. They had been doing stuff building *up* to go against the Rogues -- Heatwave being sent after Murmur and the like. But it was the *main* mission, and Geoff Johns pulling a plot switch in the middle of it still seems out of left field to me.

I am fond of Mick, even with the out-of-control pyromania. He listened to Piper when no one else would -- he's surprisingly fair under his craziness.

Hartley might wear less expensive suits, but they're going to be quirky (and green), and might be tailor-made. When he dresses up, he does tend to go all out.

they are NCIS'verse versions of themselves, and thus are likely reformed crazed inventors/bank robbers/etc. but there is no Flash

Aww. :( That's not nearly as much fun.

Hmmm. I'm not sure I like not having Magneta. Admittedly, her "Wally-pushed-me-into-crazed-supervilliany" is a annoying backstory, but she wouldn't be bad if she was developed some.

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Yeah, I thought there was stuff before, but Ride the Lightning said it was the first, and since I couldn't remember clearly on my own, I went with it. ^^; Geoff Johns plot switches are frequently surprising to the degree of "where the fuck did that come from? >O "

Yeah, see, I like Mick. I kinda want to see if someone can give me a rundown on his responsibilities, actions, and important character moments from his run in Superboy, actually. Otherwise he just gets... grumpy, in my hands.

Would having to wear a suit every day for work count as "dressing up", though? (I have a confession: the first time I saw Piper, he was wearing faded blue jeans, a white T-shirt with rust gremlins on it, a messy ponytail, and sporting a huge motheroffing sonic gun. He saved Linda from ninjas! :D And I thought his name was "Rusty". *facepalm*)

Aww. :( That's not nearly as much fun.

Well, the other option is to make the NCIS crew into DC versions of themselves, and I am too mad at the DCU presently to pull that off.

The thing about Frankie is that what counts as her backstory, re: her relationship with Wally, is what I mostly know about her. I read the Teen Titans, and the New Teen Titans, and the New Titans, and the Titans, right up until Donna turned into the 60-foot-tall goddess. (And I have like, oh, three issues or so of when Bart was in the Titans the first time.) So Frankie's backstory is just Frankie's story, to me, part of Wally's truly unfortunate string of relationships before Linda. And I never liked her. I liked the other girl he was dating at the time better.

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Have you tried asking for help over on flash_rogues?

the first time I saw Piper, he was wearing faded blue jeans, a white T-shirt with rust gremlins on it, a messy ponytail, and sporting a huge motheroffing sonic gun. He saved Linda from ninjas

Back in the Waid run? When Piper tended to dress like a grunge band roadie? Proof positive that gay men aren't necessarily fashionable...

Making the Rogues into more realistic versions of themselves is going to bring up problems in itself. The FBI has pretty high standards, and while being from a circus background isn't a bar per se, it does make it hard to get the college degrees they require -- James certainly has the drive and the smarts to become a forensic account but I'm not so sure about Mick. And Piper's deafness would outright bar him from being a field agent, even if you're going to fudge the science enough that he has his super-tech implants.

Wally did seem to attract messed up women, didn't he? I still like the *potential* Magenta has, even if none of the writers have made her compelling enough.

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Well, no, because that would be officially committing to writing something.

Yeah, back in the Waid run. First issue Bart was in, to be precise. When all the dudes had those JAWS.

I realise there would be problems -- I was thinking that really, the FBI is not the right agency for these guys at all, but it's just a fun little thing to thinking with and the FBI is what got them. (And also Roy Harper. I can't help but wonder what the DCU FBI is thinking, some days...) If I actually wrote this, it would be from the perspective of an NCIS character -- likely Tony or Kate, the field agents -- and at the end they would probably find out (after the guys were gone) that they weren't really Feddies at all. But the crime was solved! So now they're all confuzzled and pissy.

Maybe they're visiting from a DCU 'verse and faking it.

Wally very much attracted messed up women. And was attracted to them. I figure this is because of the less-than-stellar example set by his parents. Frankie could have been so much more, I do agree, and the recent stories with her in them did weird and willful things with her characterization. They've been doing that with a lot of old favourites...

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When all the dudes had those JAWS.

Well, it was also the time that Piper was bishonen (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bishonen), so that's how I think of him...

and at the end they would probably find out (after the guys were gone) that they weren't really Feddies at all

James *would* delight in impersonating a Fed. Mick and Piper, not so much, for different reasons. Mick would be worried he couldn't pull it off, and Piper would be worried about the consequences if caught.

Maybe they're visiting from a DCU 'verse and faking it.

*That* would be funny. The three of them trying not to use their gimmicks because they would cause attention to themselves, but not quite sure of the limits of 'real world' science or behavior. ANd you know, it would be Piper, who was doing the best of them, finally losing his temper and mindwhammying someone with his flute...

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Well, it was also the time that Piper was bishonen, so that's how I think of him...

Oh man! XD I laughed so hard, to be given a link to a definition of "bishonen". You had no way of knowing this, but I've been an anime fan since I was 14 and I did a bunch of courses on Japanese culture in university, so I am well aware of what a bishonen is. I also disagree that Piper is one. He was too old, for one.

(Also, if you want love and/or sex stories about guys with guys, I can't stop recommending The Great Mirror of Male Love (http://www.amazon.com/Great-Mirror-Male-Love/dp/0804718954). It's a translation of forty 17th century stories from Japan. The first half is all about samurai, and the second is about kabuki actors. Check it out! It's really interesting.)

James *would* delight in impersonating a Fed.

I think for James, being in the FBI was a lot like impersonating a Fed. In fact, I sure people dealing with him would think he was, when they found out who he was, and then you go to check on it, or tell the Feddies that he's done it, and find out he's legit. *cackle*

Mick and Piper, not so much, for different reasons. Mick would be worried he couldn't pull it off, and Piper would be worried about the consequences if caught.

That's true. They're a lot more straight-laced, in their individual ways, and having reformed wouldn't want to do something that out there.

The three of them trying not to use their gimmicks because they would cause attention to themselves, but not quite sure of the limits of 'real world' science or behavior.

Flying shoes. Flying shoes. Much more noticeable in a world where no one can fly under their own power without a large piece of equipment strapped to them. Nevermind the other multitude of gadgets which Trickster alone could account for --!

ANd you know, it would be Piper, who was doing the best of them, finally losing his temper and mindwhammying someone with his flute...

Or, more heroically, getting a bunch of people out of a danger zone using the most classic method possible when shouting doesn't work.

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I think for James, being in the FBI was a lot like impersonating a Fed.

And yet he lost his sense of fun, at least when Geoff Johns wrote him... poor Trickster, if he can't mess with *somebody's* mind, he gets crazy.

They're a lot more straight-laced, in their individual ways, and having reformed wouldn't want to do something that out there.

Yeah, Mick and Piper are more likely to behave in public. For a given value of 'behave', of course. Mick wants to channel his pyromania into useful endeavors (he'd be a *great* arson investigator), and Piper craves *attention* like nobody's business -- which is surprising, given how private he is.

Much more noticeable in a world where no one can fly under their own power without a large piece of equipment strapped to them.

I think the metahumans who *can't* fly are outnumbered by the ones who can by an order of magnitude in the DCU. Which is exactly the opposite of Marvel, come to think of it.

And Trickster would be all : "What? These are my *shoes! I'm not giving them up!" while Piper and Heatwave are trying desperately to pare down their respective arsenals so they don't stand out like flying purple people-eaters. Piper *might* get away with bring his flute case everywhere, as a quirk, but his sonic guns and Heatwave's flame-thrower are obvious weapons *and* obvious super-tech.

A lot of Trickster's stuff looks like toys, so they'd stand out for the "why is carrying around yo-yos, waterguns, and canisters of silly-put", not "he's got a weapon that can't be made with current known tech, wtf?!" but he'd still stand out as majorly weird.


Or, more heroically, getting a bunch of people out of a danger zone using the most classic method possible when shouting doesn't work.

Hee! And the NCIS people would be going "Is he hypnotizing people with a*flute*?" or possibly "Where did all the fucking *rats* come from?!" And then someone would have to ask/realize that 'Piper' is his handle, not his name, because you know he wouldn't have introduced himself as 'Hartley', given how much he dislikes his legal name, but the bardic magic would kind of given the name away.

And then Trickster would be "This means I get to use my gear *now*!" and break out everything that Mick and Piper made him put away, like the rubber chicken gun...

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And yet he lost his sense of fun, at least when Geoff Johns wrote him... poor Trickster, if he can't mess with *somebody's* mind, he gets crazy.

It's true. I think Johns was trying to establish a contrast so that when he had the Top reverse things it'd stand out, but he was basically ignoring the characterization of Trickster since he'd reformed. (I think that whole thing was a cop-out. Those three all had good, personal reasons for reformation. Saying is was the Top is just... cheap.)

Mick wants to channel his pyromania into useful endeavors (he'd be a *great* arson investigator),

Well, he worked as a firefighting consultant, which is pretty close and also got him in a position to at least look at and affect the pretty, pretty flames...

and Piper craves *attention* like nobody's business -- which is surprising, given how private he is.

I suspect this is because his parents were fairly hands-off. I think at least one recap of his origin has it being his nanny who figured out that he was deaf. I think he wants attention on his own terms, really. He wants to be seen for the person he presents to the world, and he wants to keep his close personal relationships sheltered and protected, because he values them so much.

I think the metahumans who *can't* fly are outnumbered by the ones who can by an order of magnitude in the DCU. Which is exactly the opposite of Marvel, come to think of it.

I suspect you're right on the money there. That'd be an interesting census to take, really.

And Trickster would be all : "What? These are my *shoes! I'm not giving them up!"

Big argument ensues about how those aren't shoes, those are elf-slippers, and Piper would know. Mick, meanwhile, is quietly lining his docks with asbestos. I think James would end up putting the tech into a pair of ordinary looking shoes or boots -- after all, Axel has them in sneakers, so obviously it can be done.

Piper *might* get away with bring his flute case everywhere, as a quirk, but his sonic guns and Heatwave's flame-thrower are obvious weapons *and* obvious super-tech.

Piper could swap out his horn for something smaller, like, say, a tin-whistle. An ace in the hole, but nothing terribly destructive. Also he'd probably have a tuning fork. I think Mick would deliberately make the choice not to bring so much as a match, but he'd be conspicuously dressed warmer than the weather demanded, and the other two would probably be okay with him having those little chemical hand warmers. After all, he's phobic about cold. (This would be part of James' argument regarding his shoes -- he's phobic about heights. I sense a lot of eye-rolling in Piper's future.)

Hee! And the NCIS people would be going "Is he hypnotizing people with a*flute*?" or possibly "Where did all the fucking *rats* come from?!"

No rats. It's a different tune for rats than people, as the fairy tale clearly shoes. Also the rat thing is a recent thing I don't much like. If he's sane, he won't need rats.

And then someone would have to ask/realize that 'Piper' is his handle, not his name, because you know he wouldn't have introduced himself as 'Hartley', given how much he dislikes his legal name, but the bardic magic would kind of given the name away.

Actually, he'd be using his name. Where's the harm? (And also, if they aren't from another reality, he'd have to, being a Fed.) The other two call him "Hart", mostly, I think.

And then Trickster would be "This means I get to use my gear *now*!" and break out everything that Mick and Piper made him put away, like the rubber chicken gun...

I love the rubber chicken gun. XD Though if that happened there'd be yelling, later, that they told him to leave that behind.

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Saying is was the Top is just... cheap.

Exaclty. Both Mick and Piper grew up and grew past needing the adrenaline/attention that crime sprees got them. James really doesn't want to go back to Hell, having tricked Neron out of souls *twice*.

I think James would end up putting the tech into a pair of ordinary looking shoes or boots

That would lead to awfully thick soles. Axel's sneakers are almost clown-shoes, from the art. *Evil* clown shoes...

Piper could swap out his horn for something smaller, like, say, a tin-whistle. An ace in the hole, but nothing terribly destructive. Also he'd probably have a tuning fork.

Piper switches between the concert flute and his custom 'pipe' pretty much at whim, but he seems to be able to do his thing with just about any woodwind -- down to grass whistles. He could easily have a pennywhistle tucked into his sleeeve. And I can see a tuning fork in his pocket. They're small and not incredibly bizarre -- the same for pitch-pipes, if he establishes his status as an enthusiastic amateur musician...

I think Mick would deliberately make the choice not to bring so much as a match, but he'd be conspicuously dressed warmer than the weather demanded, and the other two would probably be okay with him having those little chemical hand warmers.

Aww Mick... trying so hard to not give the game away...

I sense a lot of eye-rolling in Piper's future.

He's doomed to be the straight man in any comedy routine that Trickster comes up with...

No rats.

Aww... I like the rats. Admittedly, they indicate that Piper is broken on some *deep* level and has been ever since Iron Heights, but his utter faith in and love for his rats is somehow endearing.

If he's sane, he won't need rats

Unfortunately, I think Piper has been 'functional, but not sane' since about mid-way through the Geoff Johns run. I don't think he was *ever* treated for the mess Mirror Master left of his mind, and has been trying to fix himself all the time since then. He's had less then stellar results, and the rats seem to be one of his crutches.

Unless you're willing to go with my theory that he hears the rats talking to him now because Trickster is possessing them, and before that Piper was just crazy...

I love the rubber chicken gun. XD Though if that happened there'd be yelling, later, that they told him to leave that behind.

That would be hilarious. Especially with all the NCIS people just *staring* at Agent Jesse's improbable weapon, and the fact that Agents Rathaway and Rory are *pissed* about it, but not shocked by its very existence. And then the *really* weird things start coming out, like the pocket flamethrower and the hypersonic cannon...

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That would lead to awfully thick soles. Axel's sneakers are almost clown-shoes, from the art. *Evil* clown shoes...

I think that's actually an affectation of Axel's. I mean, check out his actual footwear (http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/trickster.html) (the pictures get bigger if you click on them): slippers, and normal-looking boots. The airwalker tech doesn't take up much space.

He could easily have a pennywhistle tucked into his sleeeve.

Gibbs would suspect a slim knife, as I'm sure he'd notice there was something, regardless of whether it was in a special pocket in the sleeve or actually in a sheath strapped to Piper's arm. Imagine his surprise. ;3 It's much more dangerous than a knife...

And I can see a tuning fork in his pocket. They're small and not incredibly bizarre -- the same for pitch-pipes, if he establishes his status as an enthusiastic amateur musician...

PITCHPIPES! That's what those are called! I was wracking my brain, but all I could come up with was "that round thing the barbershop quartet used to establish a note at a recent shindig I worked", which would be no help at all, since you weren't there. Yes, I imagine he'd have something.

Aww Mick... trying so hard to not give the game away...

Piper: *hugs Mick*
Mick: *gives him a funny look, but deals*

He's doomed to be the straight man in any comedy routine that Trickster comes up with...

Which is the biggest joke of all. XD

Aww... I like the rats. Admittedly, they indicate that Piper is broken on some *deep* level and has been ever since Iron Heights, but his utter faith in and love for his rats is somehow endearing.

I don't like rats. At one point I had three housemates who each had a separate hoard of the critters. I think one or maybe even two rats as pets works okay, but more than that? And a hoard? No, far too messy. Too much fighting.

Also, this is, explicitly, a non-broken Piper, sez I! Because it is my bad idea. :3

That would be hilarious. Especially with all the NCIS people just *staring* at Agent Jesse's improbable weapon, and the fact that Agents Rathaway and Rory are *pissed* about it, but not shocked by its very existence.

Tony and Abby would want one. :D

And then the *really* weird things start coming out, like the pocket flamethrower and the hypersonic cannon...

James: You brought the cannon?!
Hart: *sniff* NO. Just a few key components. This casing was actually part of Mick's suitcase.
James: Did he know-- *turns to discover Mick putting on big white gloves* ... *grins maniacally* Let's do this thing!

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Imagine his surprise. ;3 It's much more dangerous than a knife...

Especially when Piper uses it to break locks...

He'd have pitchpipes, an ocarina, or a harmonica. They are quite a few woodwinds that are incredibly small and rather innocuous for someone to carry around in their pocket. Plus Piper can get results with *improvised* instruments -- the grass whistle he used against Grodd was just amazing, as was the pipe that he made out of Hunter Zolomon's cane head when he was in Iron Heights; you don't want him to have access to acorn caps or empty soda bottles if you're trying to keep him from doing anything...

Mick: *gives him a funny look, but deals

Awww... I love how Mick has no problem with Piper and takes care of him when he's on the run. Making him tea was kind of sweet.

And a hoard? No, far too messy. Too much fighting.

Well, to be fair, I think Piper just makes friends with whatever sewer rats are in the vicinity when he needs them. One or two might be pets, but the rest are just summoned up for the occasion. Not that Piper doesn't like them, but he only had one on his shoulder being petted during conferences and other non-mission scenes.

Hmm... maybe a 'getting better' Piper, who has been convinced to put the rats away, because they're conspicuous?

Tony and Abby would want one

Really? Maybe I should Netflix this show then...

Hee. And with that, the boys put on their colors and have a throw-down with whatever fool they've been tracking down? The NCIS people are a little appalled at the property damage, and a *lot* appalled that anyone would wear orange, blue and and yellow striped spandex in public... ;)

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Now that I've actually seen the first couple of episodes of NCIS (yeah for Netflix!) I think Tony would be totally outmatched by any of the Rogues. And that Piper and Abby would get along like a house on fire, if they get to talk about music and fashion.

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Tony gets sliiiightly better as time goes on. One thing he really has going for him is his persistence. His thing with movies bugs the Hell out of Kate (Agent Todd), and when he was dying of plague (!!!) in s2e21, he still managed to reel off the names of every actor who has played James Bond on film.

Maybe he's just obsessed.

Meanwhile, yes, Abby and Piper would totally get along, AND she would generously call him Piper if he asked her to, since she gets the whole thing with not liking one's name. After all, Gibbs' first name is Jethro. I think the only one who gets to call him that without repercussions is Ducky. Possibly because... he's Ducky. And he's okay with the nickname "Ducky"!

*plots to have Ducky and Nickie Elder meet*

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I could only stand Tony in the first four episodes by fast-forwarding through his solo investigation scenes. He's just the kind of smarmy chauvanist that drives me right up the wall. If he gets better, it'll be a miracle and a blessing.

Abby knows ASL! She's terribly cute and geeky! Piper will like her, in a completely platonic way. And they seem to share a fashion sense.

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He gets better. I've mostly seen later episodes, but even in 2nd season he's better.

Abby is a genius geek, and I think she's awesome. If overly caffeinated.

I don't see a fashion connection, though. o.O She's a perky goth, and he wears a lot of green and used to be overly fond of huge open-front polka-dotted shirts.

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Tony *has* to get better, or I'll hate him by the end of the second season.

Abby is *squeeful*.

Piper's early costumes could have fallen under New Wave, which is sort of related to Punk and Goth, according to my more pop-music-savvy friends.