Let's run a comparison, shall we?

[eliyes]

Earth 616 (regular comics) Bobby Drake is 5'8" and weighs 145 Lbs.

Earth 1610 (Ultimate universe) Bobby Drake is 5'6" and weighs 130 Lbs.

Now, it makes sense to me that the younger version is a little shorter. He's waiting on a growth spurt or something, and weighs a little less for that lack of inches.

That doesn't explain why Earth 2000114 (X-Men:Evolution) Bobby Drake (who is the same age as Ultimate Iceman, at least at the beginning) is also 5'6" and weighs 170 Lbs. He weighs more than his adult main timeline self!

There's about a billion "ideal weight calculators" on the internet, and I used this one to run these numbers. Apparently the Ultimate Bobby has a much more sensible height:weight ratio. (616-Bobby falls in the recommended medical range for his height and presumed age -- I went with 20-29 years -- although he's underweight in terms of Devine formula-based medication dosages.)

Basically, I posted this so I could publicly boggle at Evo-Bobby's weight. It doesn't make sense. He's not particularly buff, he's not overweight -- he's kinda slim, actually, and a wee bit gawky at times. I don't get it.

Interestingly, Roberto Trefusis, the Earth 311 version of Bobby in the 1602 comics, has the same height and weight as the Earth 616 adult Iceman, which means that chances are good that he's an adult, and thus likely in his late teens at the youngest. Most people seem to talk about him or write him like he's younger, which wasn't making a lot of sense to me with what I know of his background and behaviour. Nice to see I have some evidence for my interpretation, if I choose to trust it. :3

eta: Since I was asked, and it's a good question: I got these stats from the Marvel Database, and confirmed the Earth 616 stats at marvel.com.

eta2: 616-Bobby is the same height as World Championship Gold Medalist (Men's) figure skater Jeffrey Buttle, but a whopping 4 kgs heavier. I'd say that accounts for the greater breadth of his shoulders, and musculature honed more for fighting than skating.

Comments

[neotoma.livejournal.com]

Where are you getting your numbers, because 145lb for Bobby-616 is a little ridiculous. He's an adult, average height, but engages in *intense* physical workouts on a regular basis. I'd expect him to be rather heavier, because even though he's not built like a body-builder, he does have muscle, and lots of it.

I think Robbie from 1602 is younger, but I got that impression for *all* of Carlos Javier's students -- they're no older than the X-men were when they started back in universe 616.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

All statistics were gleaned from the Marvel Database, and the Earth-616 stats are confirmed at Marvel.com.

[neotoma.livejournal.com]

Then *they* don't know what they're talking about. :P

They can't even figure out how much Hank weighs (or how tall he is, or how many *fingers* he has -- god, I wish Marvel would just put out a design guide for him already...)!

Bobby should be closer to 200lb than 150lb, because of the muscle. He's built like a racer or a skater -- not bulky, but all flat muscles.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

Then *they* don't know what they're talking about. :P

Wouldn't be the first time! XD It's not as ridiculous as what the women of Marvel get stuck with. Check it out (http://girl-wonder.org/papers/bmi.html), they're very unrealistically uniform.

They can't even figure out how much Hank weighs (or how tall he is, or how many *fingers* he has -- god, I wish Marvel would just put out a design guide for him already...)!

He used to be handled much more consistently, but these days... (Have I ever mentioned that I think his "second mutation" is nonsensical?)

Bobby should be closer to 200lb than 150lb, because of the muscle. He's built like a racer or a skater -- not bulky, but all flat muscles.

I disagree. My dad is 6'2" and has flat muscles and has never been more than 167 Lbs, even when he was in the army. He's built leaner than Bobby is usually depicted, but I still think 200 Lbs is too heavy for Bobby. Of course, I also have to point out that how buff or even broad-shouldered Bobby is depends on the artist. :/ eta: His ice form, of course, is pretty darned variable when he's pulling his "hulked out and spiky" trick, and I imagine it has a different density than he usually does anyway.

[taichara]

All this does is confirm for me that Marvel are morons who can't keep anything straight ~


*is being that way, yes*

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

They're not making it any easier on themselves, running multiple realities at a time, and I don't just mean the Exiles reality-hopping book. -_- (This confusion is part of why I avoid Marvel books these days, you will recall.)

Still, I thought it was weird.

[taichara]

As per usual, DC did it better. (Until recently of course.)

And you can't really say you avoid Marvel these days when half the time or more you're buying more Marvel than DC when we go to Mike's ;P

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

They did indeed.

Mostly back-issues! I have two DC books and one Marvel on regular pull, and the Marvel one is that retelling of the early years one.

[taichara]

Don't forget you habit of picking things up off the shelf randomly ... You may have slacked a bit in the last few months but still.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

It's more like ceasing to be stubbornly masochistic in my reading habits than slacking. :( Why must comics suck these days?

[taichara]

Because people will read any shite that they're given, and praise the creators for their generosity.

Like Rockman fans, in a way.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

I'd like to put part of the blame on Devin Grayson. B|

[taichara]

Can't follow the logic there I'm afraid, though I do blame that sadistic freak for a good many things ...

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

It's that whole "reading any shite" "praising the creators" thing. I think she helped train some people into it, at least in DC fandom.

[taichara]

Pfft. DC people were doing that long before she came along -- that's how she stayed untouchable in the first place.

For a classic example of of reading shite and praising for it, see the ups and downs of Mark Waid or the sheer stupidity of -- wait for it -- Frank Miller. -_-

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

I was trying not to think of Miller. -_-

[taichara]

*pats*

[serenity-ca4.livejournal.com]

Can't keep anything straight ... except Bobby. Sigh...

Oh, come on, I wasn't the only one thinking it.

[taichara]

Well I -- for one -- was certainly not remotely thinking it.

[kermitdef.livejournal.com]

Hehehe...fangirl bickering. Here's a question; Are possibly any of these weights based on his full ice form as opposed to his meat sack form? Water/ice weighs differently you knows. :)

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know, he's usually denser in his ice form (although that's variable depending on whether he's snowing, white ice, or clear, and also whether he's bulked himself up and/or spiked out) but as far as I know, these are the regular fleshy weights.

Although If that 170 Lbs was ice form, I'd feel better.