Spoilers for the new Star Trek movie, and the series Enterprise

[eliyes]

The "Admiral Archer" whose beagle is the reason Scotty is on Delta Vega in the new movie can't be the Archer from the series Enterprise. Provided you assume that Enterprise really does fall in the same timeline as TOS, TNG, and the rest -- which I usually don't, but if you do -- Jonathan Archer was the President of the Federation for nearly a decade. I therefore doubt they'd still be calling him "Admiral". Because that would have happened before the changes to the timeline caused by the temporal intrusion of the Narada, it would not be different.

Also, he'd be really really frickin' old. I know in Enterprise there was an episode where they were gonna say Archer lived to see the Constitution-class Enterprise christened (and died the next day), but that scene was cut, never made it to the screen, therefore is not Enterprise canon -- probably because someone pointed out how he'd be really really frickin' old.

Yes, I am totally still thinking about this crap. This Archer thing doesn't actually bother me as much as the mucking about with people's ages. Somehow Romulans killing Kirk's dad made Chekov be born years earlier! Amazing! *eyeroll*

Comments

[kiffie.livejournal.com]

Much like the beagle in the movie is female and, therefore, not the same individual, I'm guessing that this is a different Archer -- likely Jonathan's son?

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

Well, I don't think anyone expected it to be the same dog. But it's probably Archer's son, yes.

[taichara]

Enterprise is bullshit and should be rightfully ignored regardless.

Problem solved.

[kiffie.livejournal.com]

You never know, man.

Suspended dog animation.

And it's not like they said the dog was alive when it was transported. Maybe it was stuffed! Like Trigger!

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

They did too say it was alive, they said it was the first live test subject. Explain the Trigger thing to me.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

I'm just covering my bases.

[taichara]

If you don't need to worry about it, why are there bases to cover?

That would be like us worrying about the Lucifer oav, say just because it exists, even though it's nowhere near canon nor our Core 'verse.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

Well, it bugs me that a lot of peopleficcers don't seem to have quite grasped that the new movie isn't just an alternate reality, it's one that's supposed to have the exact same history as the regular universe up to a point. You can't just change things willy-nilly without thinking about them.

[taichara]

Here's a question for you, then, as I think about it -- are there any other things in the movie that don't jive with TOS, that can't be chalked up to the dumbassery of the timespace mess?

Not necessarily linked to Enterprise, mind.

Because if there's enough, well then, you just have to throw up your hands and say they screwed up, and the ficcers may as well write what they please. (kindly assure me that there aren't enough glitches and changes to justify that ...)

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

Well, yes. Kind of -- there are definitely things that I'd like explained. Like, have they actually had more contact with the Romulans and Cardassians at this point in time than they had in TOS? It's not impossible...

*sigh* Okay, there's Scotty. He's too damned young. They never actually say what age he is, and he looks older than the rest of main cast, true, but in TOS Scotty was the oldest officer, whereas in the new movie it can't be that much of a margin since he was sent to Delta Vega for pissing off his adviser -- Admiral Archer -- and he was sent there within the last three years, because Kirk knew the beagle that was the reason Scotty was exiled. So, there's that.

I'd need to watch it again to make sure I'm not misremembering other things, really. It's back out in IMAX, you know, but the bastards aren't showing it anywhere East of Quebec. *rails*

[kiffie.livejournal.com]

Trigger. Roy Roger's horse?

He had him stuffed and kept him in his living room. They'd been together for almost twenty years, and Roy couldn't handle being without him.

I think he was eventually put in the museum down here, though I never saw him. According to Wiki, a lot of that stuff was taken out of state.

[eliyes.livejournal.com]

...*wiki's Roy Rogers* ...Weird.